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 Yolk | Jul 7 2010, 4:09 PM |
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 | Edited on Jul 17 2010, 4:08 PM by Yolk Week One: Debating Thread
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"Animals should not be kept in cages." | Against:
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| Yolk | Jul 14 2010, 8:17 PM |
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| Dave | Jul 15 2010, 6:24 PM |
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| Edited on Jul 15 2010, 6:36 PM by Dave I'm posting "for" this topic.
I'm going to be brutally honest here. It is not my intention to damn every zoo because there are some establishments that have taken proper procedures to ensure the animal in question is treated as fairly and naturally as it would in the wild. However, keeping animals in zoos entrapped in a small artificial atmosphere depriving them of their instincts to survive, to hunt, taking every purpose out the animal's life itself; that is how zoos work.
Zoo associates can make the argument that zoos enable people to get closer to wild animals without having to travel thousands of miles, but its not natural. Animals dont deserve to be in cages in the middle of skysc****rs and traffic. Visitors of zoos aren't even looking at the real thing! They are looking at a by-product of what us, the humans have made. You can learn more about lions for example, through a wildlife documentary on the National Geographic Channel where lions are in there natural habitat, than some sleeping lion at the zoo.
There is also the argument that most animals in zoos are born into a captive environment , and therefore are not being punished but procreated. In the wild many species are being poisoned, hunted, and persecuted through encroaching human settlement. On the other hand, the only reason we have conservation is because once again humans have damaged the natural world of animals through deforestation and poaching. If we took humans out of the equation, many species that are extinct could be alive right now.
Cheetahs were made for speed which implies open spaces, not for sitting in a cage. A natural environment is not man made. Animals were discovered in the wild; they should remain in the wild.
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| Deathslayer | Jul 15 2010, 10:32 PM |
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So you claim that animals are generally better in the wild? Yeh, I get that. They have to fend for themselves, become strong, live to their potential, then die because they can't find food. Or get themselves trapped by rocks or something similar that results in them starving to death. Or maimed (which effectively brings about the same). Surely it's actually aiding the animals by removing them from the harsh environments, by providing them with food, shelter, and everything they need to survive. I doubt that you would complain if you were a tramp, fending for yourself, ans was taken into care, given food, shelter, everything you needed.
Keeping animals in a zoo, as you refer mostly too, therefore, aids these animals. Aside from that, large numbers of these were either bred out of the wild (meaning they would surely die if released into it) or were found in such a state that they would not have survived anyway.
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| Dave | Jul 16 2010, 5:23 PM |
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| Yeah, but how do you know animals want to live longer? Sure, luxury is nice. But we're humans, we like to indulge ourselves.
I would rather choose a life where I lived to the full, rather than being stuck inside a cage limiting my ability. Animals don't have the same intelligence as us. They survive purely on instinct, which gives some the fearsome reputation. It's simply the cycle of life. Taming these animals and indulging them will only make them lazy. Give it 20 years, tigers will be the new common household cat.
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| Matt | Jul 16 2010, 5:40 PM |
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| I'm kind of in the middle here, as I don't believe this is a 'for' or 'against' topic.
Basically, I feel that if an animal or species is in significant danger, then they should be kept somewhere safe. Not necessarily in a cage, but be able to live a good life where they at least some choice in what they do. I don't believe that putting them in zoos is really that bad, unless of course they're not happy - if they're happy, and kept in a zoo, then I think it's fine, even if the zoo is making some money out of it. How else is the zoo going to make the animals life better, and how would they feed them without the funding? |
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 Doctor Shemp | Jul 16 2010, 5:48 PM |
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| Edited on Jul 16 2010, 5:48 PM by Doctor Shemp For
Cats. Cats cats cats.
We've turned them into lazy slobs by giving them homes. Alright, life's nicer for 'em, but what we're doing with that is stopping evolution.
.. and once you start doing that, God gets ANGRY!! It isn't right that we willingly control evolution because we simply don't understand what is good or bad in evolutionary terms - so we should be allowing that to take its own course.
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| Lexus | Jul 17 2010, 4:05 PM |
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| I say 'For' here. The idea of fending for ones self and not depending on things beyond your control to provide the basic needs of life is the way human society should best work. I'm sure this applies to animals as well. Taking animals out of the wild for the purpose of being in a zoo is like giving people welfare money. It makes their life lack purpose. |
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| Yolk | Jul 24 2010, 4:26 PM |
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